she is an alive love. affair. not a capitalist penny pinching pig!~Discussion on Deleuze: "Man is no longer man enclosed, but man in debt." (self.philosophy)submitted ago by FickleZizekian
[–]aberrantgeek 3 points 22 days ago
Maybe post some excerpts. Not everyone has access to databases like jstor.
I know Chomsky has written about this from a different perspective. For instance, he talks about how rising university costs leads to debt ridden graduates who are forced into the workforce as opposed to pursuing more radical paths.
Do you know where this article was originally from?
[–]aberrantgeek 1 point 22 days ago
L'autre journal no. 1
[–]aberrantgeek 1 point 22 days ago
Maybe post some excerpts. Not everyone has access to databases like jstor.
I know Chomsky has written about this from a different perspective. For instance, he talks about how rising university costs leads to debt ridden graduates who are forced into the workforce as opposed to pursuing more radical paths.
[–]ShampocalypseWOW 1 point 21 days ago
The system was never meant to liberate man. It was meant to do exactly what it did. What it also did was liberate the wealthy elite from the common man, and that's the important factor.========================================================
to be creative in a capitalist societry you have to go into debt and bankruptcy----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[–]Turil 2 points 21 days ago
Yeah, we've just made our violence/repression more complex. Rather than direct physical violence/force being used to control people's behavior, we've been using far more subtle, indirect physical violence (junk food!), emotional violence (fear-promoting media), intellectual violence (limitations on information sharing), and spiritual violence (repression of cultural diversity).
I'd say modern humans experience far more violence, of all kinds put together, than ever before.
Oh, and the solution is to wean ourselves off of being dependent on corporate (for-profit) resources, and to start creating our own, interdependent, networked local organizations to serve our needs.------------------------------------------------
[–]FickleZizekian[S] 1 point 21 days ago
The problem is not limitations on information sharing or the repression of cultural diversity, but the belief that the resistance against this repression is the true fight for liberation. People who fight to promote free internet are only contributing to the deployment of "an endless mill of discourse" ; “The irony of this deployment is in having us believe that our liberation is in the balance.” (History of Sexuality V. 1) Also, the belief that one's culture is defining in their identity is yet another tentacle of biopower.
I'm not sure I understand what you're defining as violence.
I think the complexity lies in the intertwining of pleasure with consumption. Just as pleasure was intertwined with certain forms of sexuality, we see that consumption is becoming the main object of pleasure. Insofar as consumption requires capital to consume, we are increasingly being owned by the debt we accrue in order to obtain that pleasure. The linkages of market research as a producer of truth; human selfishness as a natural object; and brand as a signifier of identity are what cause the commercialization and inequality that you are speaking of.
============================================================dead capital said========= You want to see debt in action the poor people at Dunkin Donuts being told No you have not got enough. Its a dollar more and this and that. yet that is not allCherry Donut! Extra 35 cents for the honey. catch that shit.
[–]sourrrgrass 1 point 21 days ago
consumption is becoming the main object of pleasure
isn't that really the problem? doesn't Deleuze see pleasure as disrupting the process of desiring-production? in the article "Desire and Pleasure" he says, "I cannot give any positive value to pleasure, because pleasure seems to me to interrupt the immanent process of desire; pleasure seems to me to be on the side of strata and organisation; and it is in the same movement that desire is presented as internally submitted to law and externally interrupted by pleasures; in the two cases, there is negation of a field of immanence proper to desire."permalinkparent
[–]FickleZizekian[S] 1 point 19 days ago
I'm not sure I totally understand what he is saying here. This distinction between pleasure and desire seems extremely contrived to me.
extremely contrived to me.
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Cherry Donut! Extra 35 cents for the honey. catch that shit.
[–]OdessaOracle 1 point 21 days ago
I imagine if you're reading deleuze on the society of control, then you're already familiar with foucault D&P. if not, definitely a good place to start. There's some interesting literature in the field of "surveillance studies" which uses deleuze and foucault. since you have jstor, you ought to be able to find some good discussion
Deleuze was on welfare? Chomsky was from Africa? I am the doubdoublebubblegum of capital.BOOM!
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Occupy Capitalism. Occupy Capital.
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