Taylor: So impairment would be my body, my embodiment right now. The fact that I was born with (unable to discern condition) which effects, or what the medical world has labeled (unable to discern condition) but basically my joints are fused, my muscles are weaker, I can't move in certain ways and this does effect my life in all sorts of situations, for instance there's a plum tree in my backyard and I can't pick the plums. I have to wait for them to drop. So, there's that embodiment, our own unique embodiment
and then there's disability, which is basically the social repression of disabled people: The fact that disabled have limited housing options, we don't have career opportunities, we're socially isolated. You know in many ways, there's a social aversion to disabled people.
Butler: What happened?Taylor: Yeah, and what that happened actually, I lived in Brooklyn. I would really try to make myself go out and just order a coffee by myself and I would sit for hours beforehand in the park just trying to get up the nerve to do that. In a way it's a political protest for me to go in and order a coffee and demand help, simply because in my opinion help is something that we all need.
Taylor: And it is something that is looked down upon and not really taken care of in this society. When we all need help.
Taylor: and we're all interdependent in specific ways. Should we stop and get me something warm?
The two walk into a second hand shop, where Taylor purchases a red sweater after Butler helps her to put it on.
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Butler: I think gender and disability converge in a whole lot of ways. But one thing I think both movements do, is get us to rethink what the body can do. There's an essay by Gilles Deleuze called, What can a body do? And the question is supposed to challenge the traditional way in which we think about bodies. We usually ask what is a body, or what is the ideal form of a body, or you know, what's the difference between a body and a soul and that can of thing but What can a body do, is a different question. It isolates a set of capacities, instrumentalities or organs and we are an assemblage of those things. I like this idea. It's not like there's an essence and it's not like there's an ideal morphology. You know, what a body should look like. It's exactly not that question. Or what a body should move like. One of the things I've found when talking about gender and even violence against sexual minorities or gender minorities, people whose gender presentation does not conform with standard ideals of femininity or masculinity is that very often it comes down to how people walk, you know how they use their hips, what they do with their body parts, what they use their mouths for, what they use their anus for or what they allow their anus to be used for.
Taylor: Well the monkey has actually been my favourite animal too. Quite a lot of that time I was flattered.
Taylor: When in those in-between moments of you know in between male and female, in between death and health, when do you still count as a human?