5.14.2014

from Corry Shores' Augustine-- brief snippet broadcast

§24

Whatever may be the manner of this secret foreseeing of future things, nothing can be seen except what exists. But what exists now is not future, but present. When, therefore, they say that future events are seen, it is not the events themselves, for they do not exist as yet (that is, they are still in time future), but perhaps, instead, their causes and their signs are seen, which already do exist. Therefore, to those already beholding these causes and signs, they are not future, but present, and from them future things are predicted because they are conceived in the mind. These conceptions, however, exist now, and those who predict those things see these conceptions before them in time present.
[164]



Send us a sign



Chapter XIX

§25


Augustine now asks how it is that God teaches the prophets of things in the future. [165]
Just reading this again I am thinking of the 3 lines spoken of in A Thousand Plateaus. I am looking for a sneaky parallel  a laughter that echoes among the writers of time and centuries . Of the Authors of Geology and time it would seem theres no connecting yet time resists matter and rocks, or strata thus geology. or is the other way that's what most think 
but maybe its the other way
With respect to Signs I am thinking of Proust and Signs  and the meaning Signs at all levels yet plays in our lives more so than symbols 
Sings Signs signing her name
§26

So there are three times, past, present, and future, but only insofar as they are given in the present. It is more accurate to speak of a time present of things past; a time present of things present; and a time present of things future.


But even now it is manifest and clear that there are neither times future nor times past. Thus it is not properly said that there are three times, past, present, and future. Perhaps it might be said rightly that there are three times: a time present of things past; a time present of things present; and a time present of things future. For these three do coexist somehow in the soul, for otherwise I could not see them. The time present of things past is memory; the time present of things present is direct experience; the time present of things future is expectation. If we are allowed to speak of these things so, I see three times, and I grant that there are three. Let it still be said, then, as our misapplied custom has it: “There are three times, past, present, and future.” I shall not be troubled by it, nor argue, nor object-- always provided that what is said is understood, so that neither the future nor the past is said to exist now. There are but few things about which we speak properly-- and many more about which we speak improperly--though we understand one another’s meaning.
[165]
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